Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Welcome to the Love Justice Podcast where we hear from different voices who are joining us in the fight against modern day slavery. Here's your host, Hannah Munn.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Welcome to the Love Justice Podcast where we share the ideas behind Love Justice's impactful work through conversations about fighting the world's greatest injustices. Limbe. Welcome to the Love justice podcast. How are you?
[00:00:27] Speaker C: I'm all right, thank you. How are you, Hannah?
[00:00:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm good. It's been about.
It's been about a year since the last time we saw each other. I had the privilege of going to Zambia and meeting you and the rest of your team in person.
And one thing, Lumbe, that we connected well, first of all, you made sure that we got places safely. You are our driver. Two, you and I immediately bonded over two things. One, the fact that we, we both had kids, very young kids and multiple of them.
And we also bonded over the fact that I needed coffee every morning and so did you.
So we would have our morning coffee dates at Mug and Bean before going into the field together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was such an awesome privilege to see you and your team at work for our listeners. Lumbe, can you just introduce yourself? Who are you? Where are you? Where in the world are you and what your role is with Love Justice?
[00:01:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
Thank you, Hannah. Yeah. My name's Lombecheleshe, based in Lusaka, Zambia, and I'm a transit monitor leading a team of two.
And yeah, we, we have our good days and at times bad days, depending on what sort of situation we find probably in the communities.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know whether you would need some more.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: No, that's okay.
I'll, I'll, I'll tee you up, blumbay. We're just really thankful to have you on the call this morning. And like I had said earlier, I think the. Our listeners and just supporters of Love justice really cherish the opportunity to get to hear from people who are on the front lines. And Love Lumbay, you know this. The monitors are the heroes in this work. You guys are the ones that are standing in the gap.
You're making the interceptions. You're connecting with potential victims. Sometimes you're also intervening when it comes to questioning potential traffickers. Like, you guys are the real deal. And one thing that I've had the pleasure of hearing during my time with Love justice are all the stories that you guys have and the calling that, that you have to do this kind of work.
And I really want to share that with our donors and share that with our Listeners, because those are the things that make you guys so unique and just so good at what you do. And so maybe, Lumbay, what we can start off with is why did you want to become a monitor?
How did you hear about Love Justice? Why did you want to do this work? And what keeps you doing this work?
[00:03:23] Speaker C: Okay, well, I'll start off with how I got to hear about Love Justice.
The first time I actually heard about Love Justice, I think that was March, I can't remember what they were calling it, but was something that one of the people I go to church with, that would be Auntie D, she mentioned to say the, she did explain to me the work that we're doing.
And it really got me curious enough that I started looking into the.
Went on to look onto the Love justice page to try and get a bit more information about the work that is done by Love Justice. And funny thing, I just got this certain conviction to want to do the work myself professionally. I'm an IT specialist, and at the time I was actually working for one of the casinos here in Zambia as an IT technician for them.
And what got me to really want to get into the work is I got to, I would meet a number of kids every time I was heading off for work.
And what really struck me was the fact that at the place where I was working from, I would see a lot of young girls being picked up by older men that were actually engaging them into some form of prostitution.
Yeah. And so I, I, I started getting a bit more curious with what Love justice interests were as to the work that involves kids and probably potential victims themselves. And so that got me talking to some girls I would meet on Sunday.
On Sunday evenings, whenever I would go in for my shift, I would try to make sure that I spoke to some girls that would tell me the reason why they were doing it was because they needed some form of help with finances.
And, yeah, that got me to think a lot and prompted me to actually talk to management.
And we had to put a stop to the prostitution that was going on in the area with the help of management. Yeah. So eventually Aunt D told me that they were looking for a monitor.
And, yeah, it started off as a joke, but I did put in my application and that's how I joined Love Justice.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Auntie D, for those who are listening, is our project manager. And in Zambia, and she oversees all of the stations and monitors in Zambia. One of them is Lumbay. And Lumbay, you have quite a long history in the church as well.
I think you were, if I remember correctly, when we were chatting about just your background and your heart for this work. You've been involved at your church for a really long time, I think in a volunteer capacity. Is that right? Maybe just share a little bit about your. Very briefly share about your church background.
[00:07:00] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I go to Global Heart Church and I'm one of the longest, if not the longest serving member of Global Heart Church, Lusaka.
It started off with a pre meeting that they had scheduled and I was asked by my aunt to help out with logistics for the people that were coming to talk about the church. And so I did. And yeah, our work started from there. I would take them around Lusaka, places where they needed to go for outreach. And I started out rather leading the outreach team.
For about three years I led the outreach team and now we've grown as a church and we own our own church building, which is quite awesome. And yeah, I've been part of the leadership from the inception of the church in Lusaka.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's fun to hear just your background of leading outreach, talking with the casino management. Like you were very ready and primed for your work as a monitor, which I think is really cool, how God kind of moves in that way.
Lumbe, what can you tell listeners? Like, what does a normal day look like for you at the station and how do you know when something might not be right when you're monitoring and surveying the different locations that you guys work at in Lusaka?
[00:08:37] Speaker C: Yeah.
Well, that can be both tricky and easy at the same time because there are moments when you look at.
Looking at these kids and you're thinking, okay, there's something that doesn't really look okay with probably a child.
And it's not just children, but even adults as well. We have a few encounters with adults of which on a normal working day will go out into the community.
Mises, for instance, where we've been doing quite. We had been doing quite a lot of monitoring, but we've further expanded to three other communities.
Yeah. And you find sometimes these kids are just engaged in being sent out to do maybe the picking of charcoal, for instance, and maybe street vending and maybe leading the blind on the streets, begging for money and so on and so forth. So you find these kids sometimes become a bit detached from what a normal child should, should be like.
And it makes it a little bit tricky for us to then know when to intervene and when not to intervene because sometimes you find it's family that has actually taken them onto the streets and Then also we have situations where you hear about a case, but then the family doesn't really want to engage. Maybe it's something to do with a child having been defiled, but then you can't really do anything, anything if the family doesn't want to do anything about it. And the other challenge is, could be that the police officers themselves are not willing to actually come out and help you get to the bottom of whatever this child has gone through. We've had quite a number of those instances. But the law enforcement isn't just willing to kind of coming and help out with the investigation and further.
Maybe make further arrests or prosecution.
Yeah. So on a normal day, we just pray and hope that something can be done. We can make a difference.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: And I got to see that firsthand. Like, got to go to the field with. With you and your team. And you guys started off the day with prayer, just really asking for, I think, the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. And then we went to one of the several locations that you monitor at. And that was Ms.
Compound.
[00:11:47] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: And that Compound is known for kind of the wholesale charcoal market, where kids will come and try to work, whether that's picking up leftover pieces of charcoal and trying to sell them, or it's just a location within Lusaka where there's a lot of activity.
And you had shared. And I think it would be helpful to share with listeners here too.
You know what, Obviously there's a difference between kids who are just going and roaming by themselves, but what is particularly dangerous and risky about that four children in this particular location?
I think that would be helpful to flesh out, particularly describing, you know, how kids have turned up missing in that location as well. And just some of the stories that you guys have heard about why those children are at risk.
[00:12:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
Okay. So my. My thought and views over why we actually decided to go into Misisi was because on my way to work, I would actually see these kids. And the moment I joined Love Justice, I think were on the verge of having to close the Lusaka office because the numbers were quite, quite low.
And so when Aunt D asked if I had any ideas, I.
I actually thought maybe I proposed the thought of maybe we could actually just try and visit Mrs. Mrs. Compound. And yeah, we did, and we started monitoring there.
And the. One of the first few cases we had was, I think, the boy that I'd introduced you to, Stuart, who.
Who would be in the market just picking and selling stuff without any adult supervision, being accompanied by any adult. And so that just Drove us to want to find out more. And so that was, I think, our first intercept in Mrs. Compound. And then going back to the stories that we would actually hear in Mrs. Compound. One was of this particular boy that we had tried to intercept, but then the parents weren't willing to actually talk to us. And eventually this boy was being whipped by the mom, as in being beaten by the mom, who eventually hit him in his private part area.
And that caused a lot of bleeding. And eventually the mother was arrested and is currently serving some jail time.
And yeah, that same boy eventually went missing from Mississi because of the same activity that he was getting engaged in, that is picking plastic bottles, charcoal. And so eventually the two men approached him and told him to follow them so that they can give him the money that he was.
He needed to. To get for. From the sale of those items. And eventually when they went out, apparently he was bundled into a vehicle and was taken in the outskirts of Lusaka, which is a Kafue town.
And he was gone for over three weeks, but eventually managed to.
To escape from where he was being kept. And someone picked him up and took him to the.
To the police station in Kafue. And that's how this boy was eventually rescued. But unfortunately, those two gentlemen were nowhere to be found.
Yeah, and we've had a number of cases that where because of the activities that they engage in, picking and doing whatever it is that they are doing.
Yeah, it's so easy for them to be asked to go in at a particular. In a particular area or maybe for them to get the cash or whatever it is that they are asked to do. And yeah, that's why we thought it would be a very good place to really try and station ourselves there and just monitor the activities that are actually going in, going on in the. In the area.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you guys have. I would say, compared to some of our other fields, you have really unique experiences where you've heard of and not maybe firsthand seen yourself, but have heard of the consequences of not being able to intervene and to intercept someone who is at high risk of being trafficked, exploited, et cetera, et cetera, and the importance of what your work can do in a child's life and preventing that from ever happening in the first place.
I think what was really interesting about the Masisi compound is just, I don't think people really understand how young the kids are that are walking around in that compound. Like, I remember when you and I were walking around and monitoring that day, there were kids who were three Four, five.
And they were walking by themselves or walking with a friend and their parents were nowhere to be seen.
And it would be so easy for someone to lure them and take them. And I think it felt particularly emotional for me knowing that I have kids that age, you know, the fact that you and I have a job that we're going to every day and can be able to provide for those kids. And that's not the reality for a majority of the kids that you guys are coming in contact with.
And so that just, yeah, highlights the importance of your intercept work. Lumbay.
[00:18:29] Speaker C: I'm.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: I'm curious.
You guys have expanded to a couple of different locations and you also have teams in other parts of Zambia.
What are you guys monitoring in transit locations? Are you monitoring in other type of markets that are at risk for trafficking? Kind of describe some of the areas that you've expanded to recently.
[00:18:54] Speaker C: Yeah, so for instance, us here in Osaka, we've expanded to a place called Chibolia John Lang and currently Kanyama compound as well. So these places are actually known for drug trafficking.
They are well known for drug trafficking. And what really caught our attention is there was a rise in the number of kids that are brought into the drug trade. So they target the young, they even dress them in school uniforms for them and so be walking at a distance.
And yeah, that got us a little bit curious because most of these kids don't actually go to school.
So you find it's easy for these guys to target them and get them engaged or as little as a five quarter or a one quarter because they just. All they need is probably to just get a snack. But they don't understand the risk of what these guys are actually putting them into.
And so you are finding that we have a huge crisis currently in the country where we have these kids that will probably go missing because of the same issue.
Maybe this kid want to move away from the drug trade and so on and so forth. But then because these guys don't want any loose ends, they may end up actually harming these kids or even move them to different places. We've heard of kids that have been moved to Livingstone in a compound similar to what we.
Similar to the compound we are monitoring currently.
So it's like there's that exchange of people, or rather kids from a different town coming to Lusaka as well.
So the only downside is it's been really, really tricky to just try and get law enforcement agencies to enter Chigolia compound, especially because it's one of the dangerous places we have here in Lusaka to an extent where police officers are also actually afraid to enter the.
The community itself as well.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:37] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: I think that lends really well to our next question.
Limbe is, you know, when. When people think about preventing human trafficking, they think, man, that must be a little bit dangerous or it might be a little bit scary.
Can you talk about, like, for example, in places where it's known to be a little bit more dangerous, what are some of the basic security measures that you take as a team to ensure your safety while you're on the field?
[00:22:13] Speaker C: Yeah, we've simply come up with a strategy where we will probably give an HVC out of pocket money.
We meet some people that are willing to just help us out.
Maybe you find there's. There's someone in the community they talk about. And usually for us, it's been women that have actually really helped us navigate through some of these places because some of them would have intercepted the child of theirs.
And after explaining what we are trying to do to prevent and so on, so you find they get really engaged and they want to help us navigate through some of these communities.
And so we've had.
We have. We had at one point an incident that happened that almost happened to us, me and Kondwani.
I don't know whether you remember him. Out in the field.
Yeah, out in the field.
And I was. I'd walked ahead of him and he was slightly behind me with a kid, and he was helping this child carry the bucket that he had.
And suddenly a group of people just started came out and stopped him and started asking him questions as to where you take. Where are you taking this child? And so on and so forth. So I had not realized that was happening until I noticed he wasn't anywhere close to me. And so when I turned, I just saw him being surrounded like he's been placed in the middle and there are people all around him.
And that's how I turned back and went to try and find out.
Unfortunately, rather the unfortunate part was these people were now almost getting ready to want to start hitting, hitting us, thinking we were maybe part of the people that were stealing kids in the community, because it normally happened that way. So now it was more of a thing, mob justice almost happening, until this lady just popped up and said, no, I know these. These people, and explained to the.
To the group what work we've been doing in the community and so on. And that's what actually kind of saved us, because had it not been for her, it would have been a totally different story because the area, the way they will normally do their mob justices, they probably put a tie around you and they just set you ablaze and so on. Yeah, so it's at times we really try to be, to be quite cautious and we try as much as possible to trust the people that we are working with in the community.
And that's I think the biggest thing that has really helped us, trying to engage with the people in the community.
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[00:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
I think what a couple of things that you had said that our, our listeners might not be, they might not pick up on in the same way that I'm kind of hearing, hearing you talk about these things is that one kind of basic security measure that we almost always use is no one's monitoring alone.
Everyone is monitoring pairs, either pairs or threes. And then the second thing that you had referenced was HVCs, which are high value contacts. And part of setting up a new station or a new monitoring location is that you guys are generating awareness about human trafficking. One, but two, you're strategically targeting people in those communities that can act as high value contacts, meaning that they are kind of your eyes and ears when you are not there. So maybe they're seeing someone who's at risk and they're referring them to you or tipping you off or giving you information about a potential trafficking case. And you're also building trust and rapport with them who like for example in that story that you just said that was a high value contact that you guys had cultivated and developed a relationship with that then kind of came to your aid in a little bit of a tension filled moment.
And so those are things that all of our monitors do across the board.
And limbe, you said something too in your response about working with local officials and police and the government and you alluded to this earlier, but how supportive are local officials, police or government agencies when you identify trafficking situations and what's your relationship like with those agencies?
[00:28:32] Speaker C: Okay, yeah, it's.
Well, it's quite. One of the most difficult things to do is engaging law enforcement agencies, especially here in Osaka because they tend to move them quite often. So you find you build a relationship with a particular police officer and then you discover within the shortest possible time they've been moved to a different location. And it's almost like every so often you're trying to build relationships with these guys.
But the beautiful part now is they've actually come up with a. A new enforcement agency which is the anti human trafficking department.
It's fairly new, so we've been having some engagements with them. So it's.
We are praying that with this establishment we can actually move forward and try and see how best we can collaborate between Love justice and the same ant human trafficking department.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's amazing. And we'll be praying for you guys as you continue kind of working with them.
Lumbe, what role do local churches play after an intercept? Could you share a time when a church was able to step in and help care for a pb?
[00:30:13] Speaker C: Okay, well, I think this, this one is.
I would say it's been a little bit separate from what maybe we went in as Love justice or anything, but maybe on an individual basis. Yeah, there. There are quite a few occasions where I've probably. We've engaged. Like the one. The girls that I was talking about in when we've just first started.
That was before I joined Love Justice, I think.
Yeah, these girls, when we. When I actually engaged management to help with the.
Put a stop to the prostitution in the area.
The girl that I would normally give trans. There was a girl I would normally give money to for transport every time I found her in the area.
When we constant. When we continued engaging, there's a lady I was working with who was going to the Catholic church and when I explained to her what was going on with this particular girl, she actually helped because of the connection she had with the Catholic church and eventually she helped get a transfer for this girl. And this girl found herself going to the Catholic school in the close to home.
And so yeah, they play quite a vital role in trying to help potential victims.
Except at times it's a little bit tricky because you really. You probably need to be a member of that particular church at times.
And so recently I haven't seen most of them actually engaging, but we've had quite a few that want stood to do this. But what they're asking for sometimes you find is they are asking for help from maybe us as love justice.
Yeah. To do a lot of, a lot of the work and help maybe care for potential victims as well.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
Limbe. I think the other thing that's really cool about your guys's context is that you actually not, not an example of a church, but more community members who were seeing what you were doing and partnering with you is that you had developed a relationship with a school near one of the compounds that you were monitoring at and developed a good enough relationship where some of the intercepts that you guys were making at that compound ended up going to that school, which was really, really cool.
And we got to visit that school, got to see some of the kids that you guys had intercepted and just seeing the difference between the kids who are now in that school program versus the kids that were roaming around the compound or kind of night and day.
And that was a really neat experience to be able to see just the product of your guys hard work and your networking and talking with people in the community to try and figure out, okay, for the kids that were intercepting, like what other options are there for them.
Yeah. And just that was something very unique to Zambia that I haven't seen in some of our other fields that I think is worth noting, even though it's not quote the church, but it was a woman who I think was a believer and really saw what you guys were doing.
So Zambia is a Christian nation.
How difficult is it to share the gospel in your country?
And can you tell us a story about a time when you shared the gospel either with a potential victim that you intercepted or someone that you questioned but didn't end up intercepting and whether or not they pray, profess to accept Christ or not.
[00:34:40] Speaker C: Yes.
Okay.
Zambians I would say are quite receptive when it comes to hearing the gospel because three quarters, I would say, come from Christian backgrounds, Christian, Christian homes.
So it's quite easy to actually engage and share the gospel with individuals.
One particular story where, which I, I can maybe talk about is the first few months.
Yeah, I think the first few months when I first joined Love justice there was an emphasis that if we can't maybe get an intercept, we could also look into getting gospel share, get into gospel sharing and having people profess the love of, profess Christ as their Lord and personal savior. And so would actually do both wireless monitoring and would Engage with people that were selling, for instance, in intercity bus terminus.
Yeah. There was a particular gentleman I encountered, Elvis. He was working for ubiz.
And we got talking and, yeah, we got into gospel sharing. And eventually he professed Jesus to be Lord and personal Savior.
And that particular day, I think we had about four people professing Jesus as their Lord and personal savior.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: Wow. And what was that conversation like? Were you sharing personal testimonies? Were you opening up scripture together? Like how. Like how. How did that happen?
[00:36:36] Speaker C: Well, it started off as a normal conversation. We were just talking about our Lord Jesus Christ and went into reading a scripture and eventually shared personal testimony.
And I don't know whether that would be okay. But then the testimony that I had shared was how my life had been prior to me really engaging into getting engaged with the Lord mostly.
Yeah. So when I talked about how my life had been and what had changed and where I was at at the time I met these guys, it's so amazing that one of the guys related because I knew them growing up and he knew me from way back, and it became easy for them to actually then want to profess Jesus as their Lord and personal savior.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Amazing. And I.
I think that's so unique about Justice's teams is you guys don't share the gospel with every single person that you come in contact with, but you really do pray. You pray for wisdom, and you pray for discernment, and you kind of carefully and strategically figure out who do you share the gospel with when you're intercepting and who do you approach when you're just walking around and maybe have the opportunity to share? Jesus was someone who is in the same location that potential victims are at. And I think you guys did a really, like. I was just so encouraged by your team in particular, starting the day with prayer, really earnestly asking the Lord to lead you and guide you guys to impact, which was amazing.
Lumbay.
Did you. I'm assuming that you. You guys were in. Were monitoring last week. Did you make any intercepts last week? Or have you made any intercepts this. This week yet?
[00:38:43] Speaker C: This week we, like, we haven't really gone out because I wasn't too well.
I was actually involved in an accident last.
That was last week.
[00:38:59] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: Yeah, right.
Yeah, I was in a. I've been in. In a bit of 10, but I think we just decided, okay, we work on a few things that need to be done, then we can get into it on Monday.
Yeah, well, can you.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: So maybe instead of telling us an intercept that you had this week. Can you just tell us a story of your most recent intercept?
[00:39:31] Speaker C: Yeah, our recent intercept was not in fact, it's not an intercept, but intercepts.
We met a group of kids that were heading out to Chiboria compound and when we engaged them, they, they were a little bit shy at first to try and engage with us. But as we interacted we made it easy for them to then gain a bit of our trust. And so we started engaging them and talking to them. And they had, they were picking this bottle, empty bottles, glass bottles, which they go to sell to some of the people that sell illicit alcohol, which we locally call Kachasu.
Yeah, yeah. So when we got to talk to them, they were a little bit hesitant, but eventually they did agree to, to have us talk to them and eventually take us to their parents. And so we did accompany them. But what's amazing is the distance that they actually get to cover moving from home to where they're actually going to do these activities.
So when, from where? From the point where we intercepted them and going to their home, it was approximately about 2 or just slightly over 2 kilometers from where we intercepted them.
And they needed to cover Approximately maybe about 5km further, 5ks to go to the area they were planning on going.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What do you mean, Lumbe?
What do you mean by a most recent intercept story? But it wasn't actually an intercept. I think you need to clarify, maybe you need to clarify that.
[00:41:54] Speaker C: Yeah. So these, these kids, apparently they, they, they, they, they go out and do the, the same activities over and over.
And what made it an intercept is the fact that they were unaccompanied and quite young to make matters worse. And so we looked at the situation and the red flags that presented with them going the distance that they were going, trying to cover in picking these items. And so we noted that this was a possible high risk situation for them.
And so coupled with the fact that the parents or the guardians were not even aware that they actually do these activities because their parents are hardly home, they're out going to do some piecework and other activities to provide for the families. And so these kids will just go out and in the process engage or find themselves in these activities that put them at high risk.
And that's what prompted us to view that as a high risk situation and a possible having to, to intervene and intercept these kids.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think that's really helpful one by just describing that a little bit more. And I think what a lot of people don't realize is that for every intercept that you or your team make, you've probably talked with or questioned five times as many people because you're talking to people all the time.
And there are often situations where after talking with someone, you decide not to make an intercept.
Can you talk about, like, on average, it may be in one day, how many people would you talk to versus how many people actually got intercepted?
[00:44:13] Speaker C: Okay. On average, we.
I can. I can say we probably talk to about 20 to 25 people.
And maybe at times that will result in maybe just having two to about five intercepts from that engagement or those engagements.
Yeah. Because some of them, you find it's the parents that are actually sending them. And so in the process, you just end up educating them on the risks of actually allowing these kids, whilst others, you find it's a situation where the parents are now aware that these kids actually go out.
So we have to. But we really need to be attentive to the situations, especially the home situations.
And so that puts us in a situation where we really need to know whether to intercept or not to intercept based on the interview that we conduct with the guardians.
And so, yeah, it's a tricky situation, to be honest, because almost every case is unique from the, from the, from the other. Yeah. But then you'll find three quarters of these situations that we find.
There's. There are a lot of absent fathers in most of these situations.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:59] Speaker C: So it's mostly the mothers that are actually providing for their kids.
If not the mothers, it's the grandmother, the grandparents.
And then you look at the grandparents, they are old and in the process, the kids are almost kind of taking up the role of being the breadwinners of the family and.
Yeah. Which puts them in a lot of serious risk situations.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how do you.
When you guys are talking to. Yeah. 20, 25 people a day, sometimes more.
What are the things when you're determining who to intercept and who not to intercept through questioning?
What are the things that stick out to you guys as, oh, I think this person is at high risk of being trafficked. What are the. What are the reasons why you think that come up in your questioning?
[00:47:01] Speaker C: The lack of awareness about human trafficking, especially.
So you find a good number of them don't even realize that it can happen to anyone. It doesn't matter the age or it doesn't matter what they know about human trafficking.
The thing is that as long as they are out there thinking or looking to get some money in a particular way, it puts them in situations where they will not be able to tell that the chances of them being trafficked are high because, I mean, they are unaccompanied to start with. And then you look at the age as well. It's the age which attracts, I think, traffickers as well, because I believe traffickers have a particular age they are really looking for.
It's not easy to tell, but then I think at the end of the day, it becomes a judgment call based on the questions and the responses you get from these kids as well. Mm.
Yeah.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
Thanks, Limbe. I really appreciate you taking the time this morning to chat with us and just connect and share a little bit more about your work.
We're just so thankful for you. Thankful for your obedience and what you felt like was God's call in your life. Thankful for the ways that you're tangibly intervening in the lives of the least of these in Zambia and. And yeah, just thankful for your daily sacrifice for this work and just praying that God would just continue to bless you. Bless you and your family and yeah, that you would get back to health quickly too.
[00:48:58] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: You're welcome. And we'll chat again soon. Lumbay.
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