Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Welcome to the Love Justice Podcast where we hear from different voices who are joining us in the fight against modern day slavery. Here's your host, Hannah Munn.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: Welcome to the Love Justice Podcast where we share the ideas behind Love Justice's impactful work through conversations about fighting the world's greatest injustices.
I'm your host, Hannah Munn. Today we are joined by Rebecca Lyons, author, speaker and host of her own podcast, Rhythms for Life. Rebecca's married to gabe. They're celebrating 28 years and she's the mom to four kiddos. Her story includes welcoming two children with a Down syndrome diagnosis and learning deep reliance on God through seasons of panic, anxiety and depression. Out of that healing journey, she now helps communities trade stress and anxiety for peace purpose and practices that actually hold in real life. Rebecca, Gabe also just released their new book, the Fight for Us Overcome what Divides to Build Marriages that Thrive, which is so good, I highly recommend it. My husband and I read through it this past summer and it is rich.
Co hosting this conversation with me today is Cambry Driscoll, my colleague at Love justice and she serves as our foundation relationship steward. She's also a personal friend of Rebecca's. This is an extra special conversation for her.
Here's where we're headed. We're talking about healthy homes as the foundation for justice work. Why emotional health and marriage aren't separate from calling, but that the soil that make long term impact possible. So let's dive in. Welcome to the Love justice podcast. I'm your host, Hannah Munn. Today I am joined by a special co host, Cambri Driscoll, who is on the Love justice team. And together we have the absolute joy of talking with Rebecca Lyons about why healthy homes are foundational to sust justice work. Welcome to the podcast, ladies.
[00:02:01] Speaker C: Thank you, thank you. So exciting.
[00:02:03] Speaker D: Thank you so much, Rebecca. I'm so excited.
[00:02:06] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: Rebecca, you and your husband Gabe had some exciting news this past summer. You guys came out with your marriage book, the Fight for Us.
My husband and I spent a lot of time in the car this past summer, listening to it, reading it together. It was so like, I mean we could get into like a whole bunch of different things connected to it. But one of the takeaways that really stuck with me while reading that book is this idea that marriage and emotional health aren't separate from calling, they're actually foundational to it.
So I'm curious, Rebecca, from your perspective, how has the health of your home shaped your ability and Gabe's ability to live out your God given callings? Especially in your work and ministry.
[00:02:54] Speaker C: Yeah, that's such. Wow, that's such a good insight. I. It's in. It's integral, right? Like, if you don't have a holistic mind, body, spirit, soul. If you don't, if those are not congruent and if they're not whole and healed, then everything flows from there. So, like the energy that you have, the short fuse that you might or might not have, right? The frustration or the resentment or the bitterness, like out of the heart, the mouth speaks, but not just out of the heart. Even the physicality or the embodiment of us as being just. We are dust from a ground that God breathes his spirit into. And so we're.
We're very much people, creatures that are created with limits. And that's why the Holy Spirit, when it dwells in us, it becomes this fullness.
And yet it doesn't mean you abdicate or ignore, like, the very ground that we came from and the very earthiness that we have in us, How. How much we have to live and move. The Holy Spirit has to live and move and have our being. And so this. This movement of body, mind and soul, I think, are so integral to how we do the work we're called to. Because if we don't have energy, then our anxiety ramps up. If we're not moving or not eating clean or if we're not. If we're not being vulnerable or honest and transparent to one another and bearing one another's burdens or seeking forgiveness instead of resentment or bitterness and repenting often, then it's just. Then there's harbor. We're harboring pain internally, physiologically, as well as mentally and spiritually. And so as a result of that pain, if we harbor it and hold it in, then it prohibits all the calling that God's entrusted to us or invited us into. Because this calling is that vocare. Vocare, right? Like there's the Latin root of vocation, and it. Calling always begins with a caller. So God is the one who calls us into the work. He invites us into it. But it's really hard to run with a limp, right? It's hard to run when you're crippled. It's hard to run when you're just laying on the mat because you can't walk. And so, you know, even spiritually, you understand that this holistic part of you is essential for you to walk and run in the. In the lane that God has invited and trusted you to do.
[00:05:17] Speaker D: Thank you so much, Juan. It's wild to be on Podcast with you after knowing you for so many years, it makes me smile. So I get to have this intersection in this call and just in love, justice. And we've been so thankful to get up, you know, walk next to think and in all that you do and bringing just awareness to Kingdom Impact. And so in talking about kind of though, that, like, individual approach to how we pursue our calling and justice related work, one of the things I love that you highlight is the eight core Emotions by Chip Dodd and how learning both sides, the light and dark of them, really helps us fight, like, with each other rather than against each other. And so we're curious how that emotional framework has maybe changed the way you and Gabe show up in your marriage and also in your work and how, you know, maybe you would encourage somebody that also operates in emotionally heavy spaces to utilize that framework as well.
[00:06:14] Speaker C: Well, it's, it's a more approachable way, I would say, to feelings. Right. Because sometimes feelings are overwhelming and, and they also can cripple us if we don't know what we're feeling, if we can't even notice what we're feeling and then be able to name what we're feeling. And so my husband always thought there were like thousands of feelings because I would express those. He called it the ocean of emotion. And so for men, that's very intimidating, quite frankly. And for women, I don't want to make it gender specific, but in general, women are a little more intuitive to what they're feeling, but men just don't have a framework for it. So even just the eight primary feelings have created a very simple, comprehensive framework that whether it's fear or anger or loneliness or sadness or, or shame, like, whatever those, you know, of all the eight, the one positive is glad. But there's an impairment with each of those. But there's also a gift. And so it's not that we shouldn't have negative emotions, it's just that we understand that those emotions are essential for telling us that all is not well and we need to seek a healing like that. We're actually in need of repair. And that's, that's a beautiful thing. It's like, it's like your check engine light, right? Or your gas is almost empty. Like, if you don't have an alert going, like, there's something not well right here. And if you keep going on this path, you're gonna, you're gonna actually, you're gonna short fuse. You're, you know, you're not gonna, you're not gonna get where you're trying to go, whether it's relationally or vocationally or whatever the work is. So that has helped Gabe and I.
Now if we go, you know, our framework often that we talk about is notice and name. So, like, to just notice what we're feeling and then be able to name it. And the minute we can do that, it kind of diffuses any conflict or tension or frustration because we're like, oh, behind all that. I know I was, like, getting defensive and blaming you instead of me, but what I'm really feeling internally is grief. Right. Or sad. Sad would be the way Chips is like, I feel sad. I feel sad that my mom's not. Not well. You know, whatever that is. Like, whatever the circumstances that might be, just feeling like it's right up here against the chest. Like, we can feel a lot of different emotions within 30 seconds as women.
I feel sad, like, right now that my mom's not well. But then I got home last night in her home and, like, tried on her, like, clothes from, like, the 70s and made a bunch of dumb videos for my family. So we were laughing hysterically. So though grief and, like, glad. Like, sad and glad can coexist, which is crazy because God has always, like, so goes the darkness, so goes the light. So that's the beautiful thing about emotions. It helps us stay interconnected with one another, and then that way we are able to run on mission together.
[00:09:00] Speaker D: Yeah, that's awesome.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: Really quick, Cambry, I just to reiterate this idea, like, I don't think I've ever heard feelings one condensed down to a list of eight.
And he kind of makes. You know, there's that argument of, like, why he. He chooses the eight, but then also the inhibiting side and the flourishing side of those eight emotions. Like, I don't think I'd ever seen it presented in such a way that's, like. That makes so much sense. Like, that there are these flourishing aspects of feeling sad and how you. I think it's, like, healing, like, I don't know, the breakdown of all of them. Actually, right after we finished your book, Rebecca, we picked up the Voice of the Heart by Chip Dog to, like, dig into that a little bit more. But I think that was just so profound. And then how you guys weaved that into, okay, having conversations with your significant other that sees more of those emotions than probably anybody else.
[00:09:56] Speaker C: Right. And the big. The big deal is that the way an emotion becomes impaired because emotion itself is energy in motion, it's actually a good thing that. That you are accepting Feeling something internally. And you're not betraying your heart and you're trying to understand what that is and how to get it out. But it's the way. The only reason it ever becomes impaired is because you suppress it and you won't name it and you ignore it and bury it and you abandon your heart. You actually, you re. You. You reject your heart. And the heart's like, wait a minute. Like out of the heart is the wellspring of life. Like, you can't just shut down the wellspring of your life, right? That's the source of all that is good and true and beautiful. And if you just clamp that sh.
Like you're just going to be a shell of who you are. So that's why those emotions of fear will become anxiety. Because we just won't name the fear, like actually just feel afraid, you know, so we'll internalize it. And then the body is going crazy physiologically with shallow breathing or racing, racing thoughts or sleepless nights. But it's only because we haven't had the rhythm of confession to tell someone, our person closest to us. Starting there and then go outward. But just a rhythm of confession that's just going, hey, I think what's really going on is I'm, I'm. I'm afraid that if I, that, that this could happen. If I don't do this or this isn't fixed, then this will happen. Like we're, we have this anxiety of a future that God is not in it, but if we, if we can't say it, then we're going to internalize it. And then that's when our body responds.
[00:11:30] Speaker D: Wow, thank you for sharing that. And that's something that. There's a verse that says, where your treasure is, there your heart will be too. And that's something I deeply admire about you and Gabe is that yes, your treasures, O Lord, but beyond that, in, in relationship with each other horizontally. Your treasure is unity and rhythms of unity together.
And a lot of our listeners are in kind of heavy, high stress paces of life, whether they be in the mission field or raising families or just advocates and, you know, justice crises. And so we had a question for you about how you and Gabe have really experienced unity and this rhythm of confession and walking through emotions when the pressure's on and seasons kind of like the one you're sharing, just, you know, talking before just being in an overwhelming season. What has that looked like for all your learning of staying in rhythm and unity together?
[00:12:23] Speaker C: I think the biggest shift for us has been. We repair quickly. It's not that we don't still, like, do say dumb stuff to each other, because we're like, kids. I think we're going to be eternally like. Like juvenile kids.
In fact, we were just together. He went with me down to Florida to help with, like, taking care of some affairs with my mom, and my sister flew in, too, and we were in the car together. And she's, like, laughing at the way we banter because I'm like, well, you went the wrong way. Well, whatever. Like, where are my glasses? And blah, blah, blah. And. But we're always kind of laughing about it. But she's like, you guys are cracking me up. Because we don't really take offense. So thank God. Like, that's one way is like, don't take a spirit of offense because you're both dishing it, right?
But then secondly, just go like, I know I'm acting like an idiot. I'm sorry. I'm, like, crying one moment and laughing hysterically the next.
And I think we. When you can be so real with each other and you can quickly go like, hey, I know that was not. You know. And I have to do this all the time. And he still does this all the time where I go, I did. You know, I.
What I really need from you right now is this. So be very clear in what the needs are. And. And it's not like. Because, like, part of. It's like, I just need you for, like, emotional support. But. And also, you're really good at lifting heavy things. Like, need your muscles, too, but. So you can be very specific in those requests. But then also make sure you're grateful and you always speak life over that person. And so with Gabe and I, I think we're both trying to have that reciprocity in the relationship where if we are short with each other, we go, that was uncalled for. Or, I'm sorry I'm acting like that. It's not intentional. I'm feeling a lot of stress, and I have. I don't want there to be any wedge between us. So as long as you're just having those active conversations all the time. Because if you live a life that's got a lot going on, which you will and do, and anyone in any marriage or relationship or any. Any person that you engage with, usually there's a lot on the plate. And those stressful transitions are always the ones that create conflict. So as a result, no, get ahead of it, and preemptively go, hey, let's create More margin in the transitions. And then that's also just quickly acknowledge. Like, if we can tell, like, we feel like instead of going, hey, stop being a jerk, you know, it's more going like, oh, man, that. That feels like when. When that happened, I felt, you know, I either felt unseen or ignored or dismissed. I know that's not maybe your intention and that's a good way to always disarm. Like, I'm not saying this is your intention, but when this happened, I experienced this. And I think if we can both just be a little more sensitive to each other and practice more empathy right now, because we can, we need to just be better at putting ourselves in each other's shoes and stories of what's going on.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's some good.
There's some good nuggets of wisdom. And there, there's something that you said in there, Rebecca, like the spirit of offense, which connects to something that I had told my husband a few weeks ago. And I was kind of like what felt like a revelation moment to me. Right? Like those epiphany type of moments. I was like, man, I would be so much better off if I just didn't take things so personally.
If I could just figure out how to, like, you know, you take something and then you decide, like, okay, am I going to take this personally or not? Like, kind of this idea, like, nope, I'm gonna shove it over, like, I'm gonna throw it over there and kind of like get neutral about it a little bit.
[00:15:44] Speaker C: Yeah, you just have to step back.
Yeah.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree.
[00:15:49] Speaker C: That's good.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: There was one chapter in your book, Rebecca, where you described a season of intentionally focusing on your calling after a long season of, I think exclusively kind of focusing on being a full time stay at home mom for years. And what seemed like in a pretty intense, high stress season with where you guys were, I think you were living in New York at the time.
So for women listening, especially those who've set their dreams aside to support others, whether that's their husband, their family, you know, like, fill in the blank, what would you say about honoring their own callings within marriage?
[00:16:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I had. My mom was always a working mom full time. She was a teacher, though, so she was home when we were home. Summers, holidays, things like that.
But I always knew a mom who went and got multiple, like, master's degrees. She was like, very. So that was my model of motherhood. But she was also present, you know, but also busy.
So it's a little bit like that. And so I'd Always thought I would work full time, like right when we got married and had planned for that. But when my firstborn came three years in, we found out six hours after his birth that he. He showed symptoms of down syndrome, which was confirmed six days later with genetic testing. So that kind of shifted everything. I was only 26 at the time, and I was kind of running hard and fast in a job I loved and tried to continue it part time for about eight months or 10 months, but then he was about. He was up to about eight hours of therapy a week. And I was leading a team remotely. And I felt like every time I got on, they knew more of what was going on than I did. So I was like, I'm not sure that I can steward this both of these things well. And so that's what actually I just felt the spirit nudge me. Even though in my nature as kind of, just kind of my bent of vocation and call, I. I just loved. I'd always use my skills or strengths. You know, throughout high school, college, it just felt natural to do that vocationally in a job.
I realized, oh, God has a different plan. So I think that's a big. I think that's a big key point on this motherhood vocational. It's like trust the spirit, right? Walk in step with the spirit. Like, you can do a lot of different things and you can do vocational things and you can nurture both inside and outside the home. You can live a vocational life both inside and out in the home, but you don't always do it at the same time. It's not always happening in the same season. And I would just caution a lot of women to. To just hold it lightly, right? Like God has given you and entrusted you with these birthright gifts that he gave you in the womb. And he also calls out destiny over your life. And he wants those two things to work together, right? The gifts that he's put in you that are effortless for you, that are on display for his glory, but also to nurture and raise a generation upon generation that will love and fear him, right? Like God, that both of those things are. God calls good and those are blessings. So as a result of that, you hold them in tandem. And so for me, when God led me home, I was like, okay. I just knew that that's what in. That took so much sacrifice for me because not that I didn't love motherhood, but it was hard. I was learning like how to be a mom for starters. But then a mother of child with special needs at the time. And it was just so overwhelming. And yet at the same point, the Lord had a gift for me in that season of hiddenness. And I felt like I was. It was like a season of being hidden and silent and sometimes feeling alone or unseen. But yet in that season, I felt like the Lord got so loud for me. The Holy Spirit came and indwelled. Like, I just. He gave me words. I started writing a lot in a journal. Never for public consumption, but I just. All the gifts that God had given me that I was probably not doing because I was doing so much administrative gifts. He's like, no, I've actually entrusted you to write, but until you get quiet, you're probably not going to do that.
And it was kind of wild how he was birthing something even in my voice in that season. But it was in a hidden, secret place.
And I would have never thought it then, though. I just thought I was wrestling out my pain with God, but on a journal, you know, in a journal at 3am in any given, you know, night. But. But I realize now, you know, nine years later, we go to New York.
My youngest starts kindergarten. So, you know, it almost was. Gabe jokes it's the lost decade, but it really wasn't lost at all. It was just more like a lost to what I thought it should have looked like. And instead the Lord just used that as like a pruning and a preparing and purifying in many ways. And then when I got to New York and had panic disorder and God pulled me out of that, it was only in that season where my kids were now in school for a certain amount of hours, that that. That was the timing that he would give me a story of rescue and that he would give me a journey and almost like a vocational path that he paved for me. I didn't even really have a whole lot to do with it. It's just how it happened.
So that's how I just love to counsel women. Like, be honoring to God first if he nudges you to come home or to stay or to work or to push, like. And don't push off kids because you're trying to build something first. Just, like, get in the middle of the mess, right? Be willing to do all of the things God loves. Children he loves. They are a blessing. And I love now that I'm still feel like a young mom who has a son who's already married who, you know, hopefully, Lord willing, there will be babies at some point and then I will be young enough to enjoy them. Right? So it's God knows he knows what he's doing, we can trust him.
But I would say don't shrink back from the gifts he's entrusted to you in every opportunity and don't shrink back from the call of motherhood either. Like, like there is room for both.
And it won't look like a cookie cutter formula. It will look very much walking in step with the spirit.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: Wow, Rebecca, that is personally like encouraging slash convicting for me without getting like into all of, all of the details. But yeah, like, I just think that's going to be such an encouraging word for our listeners and it's been an encouraging word even for me in my own season of like wrestling with the momming, the working, the leadership, the stepping back, all the things and figuring out how to do that and something, Rebecca, that I think or it seems as though like you guys, you and also you and Gabe seem to have really grown in is your discernment in making intentional choices and sometimes saying no to good things in order to protect your family, your marriage, your calling.
And I think that's really hard to do, especially if you're like, man, all these, all these things are good. Like how do I choose and what does that look like? And so that would be my question to you is how have you learned to discern what's worth protecting in a season when the world pulls at your time, your energy, attention, and how do you kind of put things through that decision making grid of. That's really lovely, but I can't do that right now or this is the right time. Let's go.
[00:22:54] Speaker C: Yeah, that's so good. I've learned all these steps the hard way. Like I've actually done all these things wrong. So just so we're clear that wisdom and discernment is like kind of just through like mistakes and the Holy Spirit being like kind of nudging and convicting I would say because I was kind of a late bloomer professionally. I didn't write my first book until I was, was 38 and it came out when I was 39 and I'm 51 now and I've written like a lot of books since then. But like I really didn't kick off my career till my 40s basically.
But God made up for lost time, I guess because he really catalyzed some things in, in ways that I wouldn't have been able to do.
[00:23:37] Speaker D: You know.
[00:23:38] Speaker C: In my own strength at all. So. But I would say one thing I did notice as my career started to take off is that there was always More invitations with, with the success, right? So there's the main thing, like the tip of the arrow that he calls you to, like kind of like that, that sacred space where the Holy Spirit dwells. And he's doing it through you, right? You know, without a shadow of a doubt. This is not me, this is you. Like you are forging, you are giving me words, you are making things effortless for me that are, you know, sometimes very challenging for others. But then other things that are really easy for others, I, I can't even do for like hours. I like poke my eyes out. So that's when you know you're in the center of like what he's wired you to do.
And you kind of have a gladness in it and you get on fire about it and it just come, it just pours out because it's coming from the wellspring, right? The source of life. And as a result of that, while that's the main thing, and it's beautiful, if there's fruit, then people will come around and try to invite you into a whole bunch of other things because they recognize goodness, they recognize the spirit, they want that. And sometimes those temptations to those good things, they all seem good until you've said yes to so many things that you've actually veered off course. Because the scaffolding around the main thing now becomes the burden that you feel weighed and responsible to steward. And so, so much so, right? The scaffolding that supports the main thing is so like labor intensive that the main thing starts to shrink, it starts to dwindle, you have no energy for anymore. And everything feels hard because you're actually working now, no longer in your strength, strengths, you're working in all the unstrength things to support the strength.
And as a result, you're kind of starting to implode. And so I had to learn that the hard way.
And so that that saying no came from me recognizing.
I wrote a chapter about it in the Rhythms book called Pulling the weeds, right, like recovering your passion. And I realized I was just ready to quit everything because I had gotten away from my actual passion that the Lord entrusted me to was to communicate and preach the gospel at any cost. Because I was too busy. Strategy and spreadsheets and act, you know, financials or whatever or like small business things.
Turns out I got like a C in accounting, so it's like I probably shouldn't spend too much time there. But for whatever reason, I was hell bent to make it happen. And God just said, I need you to just like step back. And I also realized I was relationally suffering as a mother in my, in my marriage. And that was not a healthy season for our family. And so as a result, I kind of went from here to here. And then thankfully the Lord in that, that pendulum shift kind of graced me back to get in the center where all these good things are optional, they're not needed for identity. I could take it or leave it. I could say no. And like it used to feel more costly to say no to things. Now it's like, ah, I actually just don't really have the desire. I don't have the energy for it. It's not that it's not good and I'm sure they're having a great time, but I would rather be home. I would rather cook dinner. I would rather, you know, just get extra time with my family. And I think that's the Lord changing my desires through obedience.
Before it was like duty or obligation to slow down, but now it's desire. I was like, I was like, babe, I'm so excited just to be with you guys and the family like all the time. I can't wait to get back home.
It's not that I don't love the work of teaching or travel, but at the same point I love my home. I love what God has put right in front of me. And that is a God given desire that I think is really his will for us so that we would run from that rest, fueled from that, that communal life with our people and being in close proximity with the people that he's entrusted right in front of us.
[00:27:31] Speaker B: That's so good.
And as we, so as we come to a close. Rebecca, if you could leave couples, especially with those giving their lives to justice, ministry or mission, spending their lives on behalf of the least of these with one encouragement about fighting for their marriage.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: What would it be?
Prioritize each other, right? Like make sure that your time together outside of the work is first. You know, Gabe and I did something called a, basically a, like a calendar audit where we would just look at like how, how much, how much time do we need together to stay tethered to one another so that our relationship is strong and then we spill build out from that. How much time do we need just as a family and then how much days are left to make sure that our work is getting done? But it almost shifted the framework. And I know that it's not to say that you're not going to go work, but I think if you don't calendar and make intentional time as a couple every day, even 15 minutes a day right when you get home. Like we do that kind of catch up debrief. Check in with those eight primary feelings, like, what was high? You know, it was hard, what was low?
Um, and then always acting, asking like action, like questions like, what are you excited about right now? What was your favorite part about today? What, what was really hard for you?
Are there places you feel weighted or heavy? You know, just getting a little bit more intentional with the way you spend that time interacting daily. And I really think it should happen daily. Even if you're long distance, like travel, like we both travel.
It might just be a phone call while we're driving to an event or something, being like, how was your day? How, how's it going? You know, it still doesn need to be for more than 50 minutes, but it definitely keeps you engaged versus just texting and then the same thing with weekly rhythms. I think that Sabbath has to definitely be intentional. Gabe and I love coffee on the front porch year round and especially early in the morning before the kids are up. And so we will legit go out in our robes. And people who drive by see us in our robes with coffee and we wave. We do not even care. Gabe will put our joy on the bus in a robe. I'm just saying.
So the point is, is just have your rhythms that you love just for the two of you time together. Or we'll a walk, like a little hike on our trail that's near our house.
Just something that is a Sabbath rhythm, a weekly rhythm, and then a daily rhythm. And because those become priority, they're scheduled, they're expected, they're planned for, then you're not missing each other in the work. Does that make sense? Because what happens is if you start with the work and assume you're going to get time to talk about each other, you're not. You're just going to keep talking about the work. We work together. We do the same things all the time since our whole marriage. And so that can really tear you apart. Or it could actually fortify it if you get your priorities right. And so we have rules, like we're not talking about work after. I have literally like tried to bring up a work thing in bed before we're going to sleep. And he's like, what are you doing? And I know better, but like it's. I've gotten a lot better because it's usually when I brain lay down, my brain starts going crazy and that he's like, Please don't do that to me.
So just making that intentionality first with one another, date nights, all the things like get time alone even without the kids. Kids, those are all priorities that have really helped us along the way.
[00:30:51] Speaker D: Thank you so much. I'm treasuring those. As I am about to get married. I'm like, I'm taking all the advice that I can, but I also love your port, and I would probably spend every morning, as many hours as I could there too, so. But we're just so thankful. Want to honor your time and just so thankful for how you've not just encouraged us, but also we pray our listeners in walking resiliently and in rhythm and unity and even, like, heavier, overwhelming season. So you've been a gift to me and I pray now a gift to so many too, in this podcast. And we're just really, really thankful for your time.
[00:31:27] Speaker C: Thank you, Cambry. Thank you, Hannah. You guys are awesome. I really appreciate you having me on.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:35] Speaker C: I'm so excited for you, girl. Thank you. Such a sweet season for you. Amazing. I know.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: I was admiring her ring as we got on. I was like, girl, that thing.
[00:31:44] Speaker C: I know. I saw her at the airport in Atlanta right after she got engaged. We literally bu into each other's families, and I was like, are you kidding? Because I knew she was engaged, but I got to see her face in person and her ring, of course, it was amazing.
[00:31:58] Speaker D: The word's way too good. I'm so thankful.
[00:32:00] Speaker C: I know you deserve all of it, Rebecca.
[00:32:03] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:32:03] Speaker B: For people who like real quick, I think it'll just be like, it'll roll off the tongue for you real quick. If people loved what they heard today and they want more, where can they go?
[00:32:12] Speaker C: Yeah. So I do a weekly podcast with Gabe, my husband, called Rhythms for Long Life. So you can find that in all streaming platforms. You can go to Rebecca Lyons.com to see. We have a whole bunch of free resources.
All my books are there.
We do retreats a couple times a year and intensives.
And yeah, just all the free resources and books and podcasts I think is probably the easiest way. Social media. My name, it's pretty basic. K. A H is how it's spelled. Rebecca, so. So, yeah, there's plenty of me out there. I'm sorry, it might be too much, but whatever. If it's a. If it's. If it. If it helps, we're so thankful. It's truly my joy just to encourage and lift up people who are walking through life. And I always see myself as a big sister that's running alongside. It's not like I've arrived. I'm in process, just like the rest of you. And I just might be a few years older and a few steps ahead, but it doesn't mean that I don't encounter the same exact things everybody else is encountering.
And just that God is so faithful. Right? That he is so kind to meet us exactly where we need him today.
Today. I need him today. Just like you do. And it's so sweet to share that with this community.
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